it entirely with their tax deductions so we either have to increase taxes on the middle class or he would have to have his tax plan add to the deficit and he hasn't been willing to say where he compromised. >> rose: that's where the rubber meets the ground for him. >> though those are all totally legitimate critiques of governor romney's plan, but i think the governor romney is being held to kind of a double standard on these things. i mean, candidate obama opposed an individual mandate on healthcare and got into office and saw the realty reality of where the votes were and decided he was for an individual mandate. >> candidate obama won't tell us what he wants to do on social security and what his ideas are for a grand bargain with the republicans, so i think governor romney on this point, yes, if you take strictly what he said and what he hasn't said it is not clear how it adds up but i don't think there is any mystery that if he not elected his tax plan would be, would resellable this but there is a way to swear some of the inconsistencies and fill in some of the holes and maybe there